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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 19:44:58 GMT -5
Lets be real here this was a bad choice.
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 20:40:15 GMT -5
In a nut shell how can he have picked her and say anyone is "not ready" I would love to hear the answers to this question or how I am mistaken.
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 20:50:47 GMT -5
Another thing correct me if I am wrong..... Palin's husband does not want to be part of America... least wise he does not want alaska to be part of the good old USA... am I wrong on this?
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Post by lgurley on Oct 22, 2008 22:43:49 GMT -5
I think this was one of the internet blog things that went out right after she was chosen.
There are groups in many states which want to break away from the U.S.A. I believe someone affiliated with one of these groups had an appointment with her. It didn't involve the group and nothing was talked about in relation to breaking away from the U.S.
At least that is what I remember.
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Post by blue on Oct 23, 2008 7:55:01 GMT -5
Another thing correct me if I am wrong..... Palin's husband does not want to be part of America... least wise he does not want alaska to be part of the good old USA... am I wrong on this? Who knows. He was a member of a group that advocates separation of Alaska from the US, at least the founder of the organization did. I have no idea about their current position. If I could remember the name I'd do the google. If I could remember, HA! She has also spoken at some of their statewide meetings. I can tell you one thing, if Michelle had been a member of the group, we'd be hearing all about it. Bill |
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Post by blue on Oct 23, 2008 8:05:22 GMT -5
Got off I disagree and did a couple of quick searches. Seems there is nothing to her association to the Alaskan Independent Party. But Todd was. They advocate a vote to separate the state from the US.
I'll stick by my statement we'd be hearing all about it if Michelle had been a member.
Bill
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Post by lgurley on Oct 23, 2008 15:17:39 GMT -5
I went googling too.
The Alaskan Independence Party was originally founded with the goal of getting Alaskans a right to vote on their statehood, much the same way Puerto Rico has a vote on its statehood. The AIP charter states: "The Alaskan Independence Party's goal is the vote we were entitled to in 1958, one choice from among the following four choices:
1. Remain a Territory.
2. Become a separate and Independent Nation.
3. Accept Commonwealth status.
4. Become a State.
The call for this vote is in furtherance of the dream of the Alaskan Independence Party's founding father, Joe Vogler, which was for Alaskans to achieve independence under a minimal government, fully responsive to the people, promoting a peaceful and lawful means of resolving differences." [3].
Since its founding, the AIP has radically changed with respect to the issue of secession. At present, it does not support secession, though, at its founding, it did. In 1973 Joe Vogler began arguing about the validity of the Alaskan statehood vote. Early in that year, he began circulating a petition seeking support for secession of Alaska from the United States. Alaska magazine published a piece at that time in which Vogler claimed to have gathered 25,000 signatures in 3 weeks.
Vogler has been quoted as stating "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her d**ned institutions."[4] [5]
During the 1970s, Vogler founded Alaskans for Independence to actively pursue secession for Alaska from the United States. In 1984,[1] he founded the AIP to explore whether the 1958 vote by Alaskans authorizing statehood was legal.
Vogler would serve as the AIP's standard-bearer for most of the party's first two decades. He ran for governor in 1974, with Wayne Peppler as his running mate. Jay Hammond was elected over incumbent governor William Egan, with Vogler trailing far behind. Typical political discussion of the day contended that Vogler was a "spoiler," and that the result would have been different had he not been in the race. However, this campaign opened up the doors for non-major party candidates to run for major offices in Alaska, and generally this accusation is leveled during every election cycle.
Vogler's running mate in 1986 was Al Rowe, a Fairbanks resident and former Alaska State Trooper. Rowe took out a series of newspaper ads, fashioning himself in the image of Sheriff Buford Pusser. These ads were a major attention getter during the race. Between Rowe's ads and the turmoil existing in the Republican Party over the nomination of Arliss Sturgulewski, the AIP gained 5.2 percent of the vote, becoming a recognized party in Alaska for the first time.
Since then, AIP candidates have disapproved of initiating a state-wide vote revisiting the status of Alaskan statehood. In 1990, Walter Joseph Hickel, a former Republican, won the election for governor as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, along with Jack Coghill as his running mate. This was the only time since Alaska joined the union that a third-party candidate has been elected governor. Hickel refused a vote on secession called on by a fringe group within the AIP loyal to Vogler's original vision. He rejoined the Republican Party in 1994, with eight months remaining in his term.
The party did not get involved in presidential elections until 1992, when it endorsed Howard Phillips, the candidate of the U.S. Taxpayers Party (now the Constitution Party). The AIP is listed as an affiliate of the Constitution Party on the latter party's website.[2]
Todd Palin controversy
On September 2, 2008, the Associated Press reported that the Alaska Division of Elections said that Todd Palin, the husband of Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, had registered as a member of the Alaskan Independence Party in 1995 until 2006; although it has been reported that he no longer is registered as a member of the party,and having registered as "undeclared" since 2006, there is no clear evidence that the Palins continue to have a connection wth the AIP.[7] Sarah Palin was never a member of the Alaska Independence Party, however she has addressed the party at their convention [8], and has been a member of the Republican Party since 1982.[Larry
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Post by blue on Oct 23, 2008 18:06:13 GMT -5
Larry, I can it now. Jose would be posting "I can't believe that he f**ked her every night (twice on Sunday) knowing that she hated her country so much she belonged to a political party that advocated secession from America." The problem is, as stated, it would be true. The party DID advocate secession years ago, so by stating it in the past tense, it is bullet proof. And if someone gets snippy about it, you can say they were advocating secession less than 20 years ago. Hell, that's 22 years after Bill Ayrs did his bombing. Todd became a member only a year or two after they called for a vote on secession. Oh yes, it would be a big thing on the conservative talk show circuit.
Bill
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Post by lgurley on Oct 23, 2008 22:19:06 GMT -5
Larry, I can it now. Jose would be posting "I can't believe that he f**ked her every night (twice on Sunday) knowing that she hated her country so much she belonged to a political party that advocated secession from America." The problem is, as stated, it would be true. The party DID advocate secession years ago, so by stating it in the past tense, it is bullet proof. And if someone gets snippy about it, you can say they were advocating secession less than 20 years ago. Hell, that's 22 years after Bill Ayrs did his bombing. Todd became a member only a year or two after they called for a vote on secession. Oh yes, it would be a big thing on the conservative talk show circuit. Bill Bill, I have my mind made up so don't go confusing me with facts. One of the points I was trying to make is that at one time Alaska, Puerto Rico, Hawaii and the U.S. Virgin Islands were all territories. For some reason (please don't make me do all the research) Alaska and Hawaii did not have the option to vote on the issue of statehood but Puerto Rico and The Virgin Islands had that choice and it comes up time to time as well as statehood for Washington D.C. This party was formed to advocate the right to vote on whether they stayed a territory or a protectorate or a state or whatever. Therefore the party was formed before statehood and just wanted to have had the right to have chosen it themselves. Bill, I know I don't have a snowballs chance of changing your mind but it does give me a little intellectual exercise. Larry |
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Post by blue on Oct 24, 2008 7:41:51 GMT -5
Larry, no need to try to change my mind. Just trying to show what we'd be seeing if Michelle had been a member of the AIP or similar organization. I understand perfectly and have little reason to think Todd is a secessionist. Who knows why he joined that party? I don't pretend to. I do not think it is important what ones spouse thinks. Nor do I think it is important what ones preacher says, unless he is representing the candidate. I am just trying to illustrate how easy it is to manipulate the facts and create a view of the world that fits your needs. That is what the conservative talk show world chows down on every day.
They care little about truth. Facts exist only to be twisted into an argument that promotes their viewpoint. Honorable men like Colin Powell are called liars if they present truths they do not like. For some reason, the "Liberal" mindset does like to follow that path.
Bill
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Post by Jim E on Oct 27, 2008 9:34:13 GMT -5
Then there are the Courick interviews...
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