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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 9:50:54 GMT -5
Not sure about this liberal media thing that is used like a hammer all the time. Have not watched or listened to news with regularity until just here of late. In the past I tended to get news from the net and public radio, mostly radio while driving for work and I just do not watch much TV. Anyway I see some slight leanings on the different news shows but not enough to use the hammer. The way it is done seems more like if the show is centered or even a slight leaning one direction or the other it is not on the offended parties agenda and out comes the hammer. For instance I do not see a lot of difference in coverage between Fox and CNN at least not enough to get all worked up over. I am talking news shows here not talk or opinion shows that comment on news and situations. The difference maybe who or what you think is news.
Take for instance this Lou Dobbs guy, he is on the media [CNN] and pretty much seems to point out flaws and what were they thinking moments as his regular fare for both parties. He is on CNN a news channel and his show is about news but is it a news show or just s how where a guy talkes about news stories.
Then I may be off the liberal "Media" point... Media taken as a whole is liberal. So any movie that has abortion in it that is not vilified is liberal. Any book about dinasours, hammer. So how does this work who is consuming all this liberal media, just in general day to day. Only demes? how can the hammer be used only when the media is not on board your agenda and the rest of the time it is ok to eat all you want. Is it really posible there is this giant untapped hunger mass out there who will eat conservative media and no one is smart enought to cash in on it?
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Post by blue on Oct 22, 2008 11:02:20 GMT -5
Jim, the difference is often not what is said, but what is not said. Also, I think that a persons concept of liberal and conservative is important. For instance, lots of people really think that Obama is a Socialist or Communist and that Congress should be investigated to root out the Anti Americans. If you don't agree, your a Liberal and also should be investigated. Where you stand determines what you see.
What's this about dinosaurs? Literally? The only time I have heard of liberals bashing dinosaurs is when dinosaurs are linked with humans, or cave men if you will.
Bill
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Post by v6jose on Oct 22, 2008 17:40:42 GMT -5
Hi Jim,
The conservative shows, both on the radio, as well as TV, are killing all the liberal shows in the ratings. The liberal news papers also are losing subscribers. It appears that common folks don't like all the negative commentaries about our country. Most folks want a fair debate, not a slanted one sided view.
if you can't see that most news outlets, papers,TV, radio, are liberal, maybe it's because you agree with their ideas. That is OK, because we are all free to believe what we want, but you at least need to realistically assess your position. If ypu agree with the liberal view point, admit it. I believe in a conservative philosophy and I'm not shy to say so. I respect your right to believe what you want. That is your right.
I still love you. and consider you one of the best guys I know. I couldn't have a better friend. We just don't think the same way about politics.
Jose
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 18:23:56 GMT -5
Bill,
So more or less if the media is not exspressing your view point or leaning it is missing the mark. And the more you believe in the view point the louder the media needs to be saying that point.
Dino reference..... folks who believe the world is only a few thousand years old would perhaps think that dinos are not real in the sense that there were ever really living dinos and that god just placed the bones here for us to see. Same for carbon dating it is not real.
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 18:54:49 GMT -5
Jose,
I have issues with folks saying the media is liberal. Mostly I have issues with them pulling that saying like it is a gun. IMO really do not think there is more than a small sthingy of difference in any of the "News" shows. Think about it ... I am talking new shows here not opinon about news. One is news the other is perhaps entertainment in a sense.
Is the majority of news liberal? is the difference the ability of viewers to tell the difference between Rush and John Steward and the fact that they are both not news but opinions or entertainment.
Or is the majority of media liberal, media being entertainment. That I could buy, but news I mean real news, on the whole I can see they have leanings a bit but for the most part they do not lean that much.
You want to shoot the liberal media gun make points tell me what is going on and who is doing it, because as far as I can see the FOX and CNN are pretty much the same as far as news goes.
Now if the media in general is liberal... that must be a lot like capitalism... I make a product and people buy it and I make a lot of money on it... the American way right. Actually this question is the one I most want to hear the answer to.
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Post by blue on Oct 22, 2008 19:05:53 GMT -5
Bill, So more or less if the media is not exspressing your view point or leaning it is missing the mark. And the more you believe in the view point the louder the media needs to be saying that point. Dino reference..... folks who believe the world is only a few thousand years old would perhaps think that dinos are not real in the sense that there were ever really living dinos and that god just placed the bones here for us to see. Same for carbon dating it is not real. More or less. But more like the more extreme your position, the more extreme moderate positions appear to you. For instance, if the average rabbit hunter busts bunnies with a 16 gauge, but you use a 10 gauge only because it is the biggest you can find, the guy that prefers a 20 is a wild eyed nut. Still not with you on the dino bit. Are you saying that it is a liberal position to attack unscientific nonsense? Never looked at it that way. Jose, have you decided if increasing taxes on oil companies and giving the money to taxpayers is Socialism? If it is not, perhaps you could tell us what socialism is. Bill |
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 19:10:48 GMT -5
Oh f**k all I feeel I have to post agian.
Am I liberal... beats the f**k out of me... I believe in the death penalty but not enought to kill anyone over it..., I believe in abortion but not enought to blow anything up about it. I do not believe in god but not enough to nail anyone on anything over it. I believe folks should be nice to one another but have never seen anything that makes that happen. I believe that one on one folks are good and will be nice to one another but if you group them up they tend to $hit on one another. Mostly I believe that unless we know each oher on a one to one bases we will have no regrets about the other person and what happens to them.
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 19:17:23 GMT -5
Ok in plan talk the dino issue is if you are a religious nut you think the world is around 4 or 6 thousand years old and dinos do not or can not figure into your world. As in god placed the dino bones here as some sort of secret thing. Carbon dating is made up and more or less the whole world is not that old. THERE WERE NEVER DINOS DID NOT HAPPEN.
Could some god fearing person exsplain the whole dino thing please.....
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Post by blue on Oct 22, 2008 20:14:36 GMT -5
Ok in plan talk the dino issue is if you are a religious nut you think the world is around 4 or 6 thousand years old and dinos do not or can not figure into your world. As in god placed the dino bones here as some sort of secret thing. Carbon dating is made up and more or less the whole world is not that old. THERE WERE NEVER DINOS DID NOT HAPPEN. Could some god fearing person exsplain the whole dino thing please..... Jim, it appears were are pretty much together in our views. No wonder you seem so level headed. That is if I don't mention the time you told me I was crazy after I told you what I was going to do with my Alpine. Can you remember that far back? Guess I've been running around with my head in the sand or up something, but I don't think I'd ever heard the line of logic that leads to THERE NEVER WAS ANY DINOS. But if you believe in creationism, I guess that is the logical conclusion. Amazing how God went to the trouble to leave dino turds, eggs, hatchlings, bones that have been chewed on and tracks in the mud. What won't he think of next! Bill |
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 20:38:18 GMT -5
Oh I recall telling you that.. actually I recall you telling me that... my short term recall is not so good nor my long term. But I do not doubt I said that for a second... was I wrong.... if I was I will bow and say sorry. Actually I cannot give a flying f**k if you went the hard way or if you cannot sell it as the easy way. it is/was your choice and I can only hope that I have grown more giving over time and can acceptt others choices how ever... miss-guided... as being ok. Really to be honest I think a turbo 4 is a hell of a choice just not the easy road.
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Post by Jim E on Oct 22, 2008 20:55:23 GMT -5
Note... and I will take this to the car section if anyone wants to hear about it... I think if someone invented a kit to install the 2.3 turbo in the Alpine that would be the ticket....
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Post by blue on Oct 22, 2008 21:45:56 GMT -5
Jim, just because I pulled it off does not mean I was (or am) sane. Actually, I don't think the 2.0 turbo got you as much as my intention to put a Metro MC on it. Maybe the Metro MC was only the last straw. Can't remember if A/C was on the list at that time.
While a turbo 2.3 is a terror, I think the 2.3 Duratec might be a more popular item. 140 hp, 265 pounds and is STILL BEING MANUFACTURED. I think 140 hp in an Alpine would be a hell of a nice ride, especially as it would be totally docile and deliver about 35 mpg. Will take 7 pounds of boost which should be good for about 200 hp, without self destructing. Just a few wrinkles to iron out.
Oh yes, the 3.89 rear end would be perfect gearing!
Bill
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Post by Jim E on Oct 27, 2008 8:54:57 GMT -5
Yeah the build an adaptor to install a M/C was pretty whacky.
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